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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number

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633 for the 29th of november

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richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia heat wave oh

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wow yesterday the mercury really cranked

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i think it reached about 41 degrees

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celsius which is over 100 fahrenheit i

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think

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to be honest it felt more like 55

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degrees

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celsius 55.

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anyway it's uh still continuing today

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the 29th of november here in

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sydney australia yesterday was the 28th

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and that's when the heat really hit

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and looking at the forecast i think by

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early afternoon there's a cool

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change coming through i'll look forward

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to that

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but coming up on this week's show

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regardless of the heat wave

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we start with an interview with my old

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buddy ben radford

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now ben has a new book coming out big if

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true adventures in oddity

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now this is a collection of works of ben

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from the skeptical inquirer magazine

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always a pleasure to catch up with ben

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radford and i'm always reminded when i

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speak to ben

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of the wonderful two or three days i

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spent in albuquerque new mexico

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and a big shout out to pasquale romero

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from the squaring the strange podcast

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who is also in

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albuquerque new mexico and the three of

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us got to hang out on route 66.

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following that i get to hang out with

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the european skeptics podcast

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now this time last week about this time

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last week i was a guest

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on their live video feed unexpected it

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halfway through the show i get this

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message from

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andres inviting me to join in so i

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i took the opportunity as you will hear

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to wish them a very happy

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250th episode of the european skeptics

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podcast

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then we have logical fallacies with

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michelle beckesma

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and this week michelle is going to look

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at the appeal to emotion

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and this marks the 30th the

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30th installment of logical fallacies

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with michelle biggesmar

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and a big shout out and congratulations

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to michelle for

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helping to produce 30 episodes or 30

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installments segments of logical

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fallacies that's just that's a big

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quite an achievement and i look forward

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to doing many more with you michelle

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and after that we catch up with a

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another old skeptical buddy of mine in

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the united states

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susan gobick from salinas california

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and part of the crew who uh do

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guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia an

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update from susan gobick

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covering gorilla skeptics covering

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psychic stings

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and more well that's enough for me at

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the moment i'm going to run downstairs

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ah get a nice cool iced coffee

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sit by the fan i hope you enjoy the

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i can hardly hear you over the pacific

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ocean all right

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it's it's a long way fortunately the the

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so it's a direct line okay well let me

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oh there you are great

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from beautiful albuquerque new

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mexico which

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able to travel it's ben radford hello

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hello richard i had such a wonderful

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time visiting you

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oh two years ago now something like that

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but before times ah there'll be movies

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little kids will say what was it like in

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time we promised each other we'd visit

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roswell and do a few um

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mystery things yes yes all sorts of

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you have a new book coming out but

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uh six months later and sort of see how

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and predictions had held up right and so

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for uh the center for inquiry and uh

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before i often times of course in

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uh follow-up is important right because

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it's very easy for psychics or really

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anybody else to make a prediction

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and more often than not you know people

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just say things and then they it

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vanishes with the with the flow of

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it's it's it's important to to circle

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you you said this um

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how did that work out or not so that's

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the great prediction project where we do

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predictions now or something crazy like

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because um it's a it's a function that

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political predictions whatever else

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or a skeptic or something it's rare that

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people in predictions of all sorts uh

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you're doing that

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well i can tell you who who follows up

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about but tv shows and magazines

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um you know the tv show the typical

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fred the psychic he's going to tell us

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psychic visions for the coming year fred

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the psychic does he's five

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minutes of just will i see the royal

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family will do this or this star will do

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stock index would do this or something

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the future in a certain

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respect and i see ben i'm getting

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through the mist through the crystal

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the maze of the possible futures oh

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a bestseller booked by ben radford what

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what what what's this all about ben what

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i suspect that this prediction of yours

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uh bestseller is probably a bit uh high

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if true adventures and oddity big if

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adventures in oddity oh this sounds good

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the columns that i've done for skeptical

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um and originally of course i joined a

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that'd be fine we'd be happy to have you

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the column began um where i would

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actually take

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questions from uh from readers and that

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was sort of my little niche into writing

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for skeptical inquirer

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was whereas joe and randy and martin

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others were sort of

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doing whatever interested them which

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which is which is great because of

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course that's

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you know they go in their wheelhouse uh

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i was sort of interested in opening

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up to what lay people and readers and

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journalists and

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just friends uh were wanting to know

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about

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and so i tried to i tried to sort of do

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a q a column in which i would

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um answer questions as concisely and as

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thoroughly as i could

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looking into um all sorts of weird

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things from curses to bigfoot to crop

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circles

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uh psychics take your pick i actually

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begin the book with one of my favorite

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uh columns which was a woman that

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contacted me

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because she believed that she was cursed

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um

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and uh i've gotten a handful of these

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over the years i know you get some as

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well

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people who were genuinely frightened

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this wasn't a put on

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this wasn't a wind-up as as you might

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say yeah yeah yeah she was clearly

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genuinely frightened and concerned

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because

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she believed that she'd been cursed by

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by by somebody through a psychic and so

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i did my best to respond to her

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diplomatically and skeptically and and

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using psychological principles so that i

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could sort of

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inject gently some skepticism to nudge

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her towards

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a more rational approach and so i

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realized that if i

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if i began by saying curses aren't real

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you're crazy go away

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that's not going to help her no help

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whatsoever

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absolutely none i will come across as a

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mean

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dismissive know-it-all skeptic which you

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are anyway but you don't want to come

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but it was important to me again as you

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know i have a background in psychology

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and it was important for me to to try

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and help this woman who genuinely

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you know needed help and again this is

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this is par for the course right you and

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i and many others

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other skeptics you know people come to

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us believe in their house is haunted

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yeah

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or believing x y and z or x y and z

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if you will thank you um and you're

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welcome and

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you know again it's i think it's impo

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incumbent on

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on skeptics who are knowledgeable who

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have done this and have done the

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research and

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uh done this too to try and reach out

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and genuinely help people instead of

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just sort of

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you know being this dismissive thing

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anyway long story short so i begin

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i begin the book with that column where

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i responded

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i give my response to the woman that

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contacted me and i annotate

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uh that response with my own comments as

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to why i phrased it that way and why i

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did

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those sorts of things right so there's

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that one there's

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there's actually 70 different topics

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covered in the book yeah it's you know

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when i was when i was going back over

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you know the columns i realized i mean

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again it's

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you know what one column per issue it

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comes out every two months for

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15 18 years i mean i had quite a bit to

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pull from

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and uh but you know some of the stuff

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some of the columns were

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they were somewhere better than others

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some were sort of outdated uh in some

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cases there were um

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bogus products that were no longer sold

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and so i didn't bother to include those

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so i

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i tried to sort of um where i could

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update

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uh and flesh out some of them uh but

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there's

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again everything from uh i did a piece

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on a

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a mysterious figure called the toucan

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man in the

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toucan man toucan you may like the bird

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yes yes indeed yeah there was a woman

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that contacted me saying that

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uh she had recalled being in in costa

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rica

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uh in in the monteverde cloud forest in

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fact she she remembers

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experiencing or being in the presence of

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some mysterious figure called

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the toucan man and she asked me if i

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if i knew anything about it like well

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so i dug into the folklore of what it

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could be

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and i looked in different explanations

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and i'd actually been to to the cloud

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forest in

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in costa rica where she where she

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experienced this and so i had some

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firsthand experience there um so i tried

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to explain that

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you know einstein whether his theories

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predicted ghosts

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uh claims of trees that walk in the

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darkness

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crop circles you name it it's sort of a

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a fun grab bag of things

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wow that sounds like a great holiday

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read folks big if

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true ben how can people get their hands

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on a copy

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well it's just fresh out so uh for uh my

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lovely

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australia it will

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of course probably be better to wait get

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the ebook uh because of

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unfortunately postage costs uh are just

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through the roof these days

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um but it should be available on in in

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local

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bookstores um through amazon.com and

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elsewhere

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so that's uh it should be available in

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the next couple weeks excellent folks

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just

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google big if true ben radford and

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you'll no doubt find

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in information about how you can get

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your hands on an e-copy or a real copy

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if you're in the united states at the

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moment and if people want to find out

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more about you ben

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what's the best url to visit well the

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best place would be

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probably uh benjaminradford.com which uh

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coincidentally is is my name uh with

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a.com at the end

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it's it's odd that it worked out that

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way but it's fortunate

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um and of course i also have a podcast

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uh which you very graciously

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mention every now and then titles bring

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the strange uh and people can check that

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out

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ben it's great to catch up with you it's

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like

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as i said it's been just for all of us

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just been one of those years well it

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hasn't it's been a year like no other

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for

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people alive at the moment and as we

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must

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sadly admit sort of nobody can really

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peer into the future

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although they think they can we don't

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know when things will get back to

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something resembling uh a more normal

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time

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but when it does i promise you ben i'll

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be on your doorstep with my uh

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adventurous cap on i would love it uh

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and it's one of one of the few things

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that in in my life i have yet to do

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that's on my veritable bucket list

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uh is unfortunately i've never been able

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to get to

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australia uh and new zealand in that in

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those parts and i uh

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i definitely want to do that um i've

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tried to do it over the couple years and

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uh

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right right when i was about set to do

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it this whole thing hit so i

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i'm hoping to make it over there um

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sooner rather than later well i hope so

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and when you

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when you do arrive in sydney we'll

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organize a special skeptic

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skeptics in the pub for you in fact

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we'll have it three nights running just

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in case oh that'd be wonderful

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looking forward to it one day ben

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radford all the way over there in

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beautiful albuquerque new mexico

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cheers

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one thing that is

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[Music]

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that it's you

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[Music]

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folks i'm live with the european

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skeptics podcast they're celebrating a

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big milestone

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uh pontus andres and annika and a group

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of

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have joined in to celebrate this

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uh congratulations everybody oh thank

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you ah

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thank you thank you so much for joining

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us and thanks for joining us

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richard was ejected from canada as a

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child for

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moose abuse i don't know if that's going

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to affect your listenership richard

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i'm sorry all those people in canada i

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used to live there but i was i was uh

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asked to leave the country when i was

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very young no but this is a really great

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occasion because i know how hard it is

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to keep a podcast going uh week after

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week after week or after week

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and uh the european skeptics podcast esp

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i love that um

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i love that uh the way you've cleverly

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said that esp the really uh esp

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experience

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is certainly on my weekly listen

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list if i can put it that way and uh

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it's a testament to the hard work that

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you put in

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every week thank you very much we really

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appreciate that

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and it's uh it it's um it's especially

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very nice uh coming from you

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uh whose work we we really admire and

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and we do value a lot

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thank you thank you well thank you very

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much so there you are folks i know i run

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ads uh promotions for the esp quite

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regularly on the show and i'm i'm

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begging you to send me a new one

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folks over there at your podcast please

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do that

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but uh for now again my warm

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congratulations for reaching that

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milestone

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and now back to the skeptic zone

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[Music]

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i don't know how you can believe

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[Music]

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logical fallacies

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[Music]

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what are logical fallacies and why is it

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important

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that critical thinkers should know about

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them

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a logical fallacy is an error we can

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make in reasoning

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but it usually crops up when we are

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discussing or arguing our point of view

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some people might even knowingly use

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them to try and score cheap points in an

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argument

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due to intellectual laziness

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they are traps we can fall into but if

571
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we know what to look out for

572
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we can spot them when they occur and

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stop ourselves from using them

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[Music]

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this time we'll look at appeal to

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emotion

577
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,640
also known as argument from passion

578
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,200
this is when you manipulate emotions in

579
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,039
order to try and win an argument

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especially in the absence of good

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00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:11,760
evidence it is also a red herring

582
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that is a way of diverting attention

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away

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from the key point emotions color our

585
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thinking

586
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,919
it's just part of life we can keep them

587
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in check at times but they

588
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:26,159
do have a habit of getting the better of

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us

590
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:30,000
strong emotions do not always mean a

591
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strong

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00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:34,000
argument i didn't know what to think

593
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:35,120
when i went to see that

594
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psychic but soon she told me that my

595
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late mother was looking down on me and

596
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loved me

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i was in tears you cannot tell me it was

598
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fake i know it was my mother this

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situation is not uncommon when people go

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to see a psychic

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even wondering a stage routine in front

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of an audience

603
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:58,640
any doubts may be suppressed as people

604
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,520
experience the weight of their grief

605
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,400
for many people thinking critically

606
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,240
during an emotional reading

607
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,880
is the last thing on their mind and as

608
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skeptics

609
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,960
we should acknowledge this did you see

610
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:15,039
that tv commercial for homeopathic

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treatment for

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teething the mother told of how much her

613
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,039
son was suffering

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i hope everything worked out okay the

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appeal to emotion has been used in

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advertising for years and years

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diet products can play on our emotional

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insecurity of body image

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and political campaigns can play on our

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fears

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of what might happen if the other party

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wins an election in our example

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00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,559
based on a real tv commercial shown in

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australia

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00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,039
the story of a suffering baby pulls out

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our heartstrings

627
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,919
even though the product on sale does not

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00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,919
work as claimed

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i was watching all these videos online

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of parents who told

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sad and frightening stories of what

632
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,760
happened to their children

633
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:08,159
after getting vaccinated they really

634
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,280
made me think

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00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,440
whether i should risk taking my own baby

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00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,520
in to get the jab

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00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,840
like so many unsupported beliefs or

638
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,520
conspiracy theories

639
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,400
the anti-vaccination movement is full of

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00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,000
sincere people who tell

641
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,360
their stories skeptics should take into

642
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,520
account the fact that people feel

643
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:30,080
very strongly when their own children

644
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,039
are involved

645
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,679
and appreciate how they appeal to

646
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:34,559
emotion

647
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,760
way or the other

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00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,159
ever since the first humans roamed the

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00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:47,520
plains

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00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,480
at times they added valid and necessary

651
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,559
component to an argument

652
00:24:03,990 --> 00:23:55,679
but watch out as at other times

653
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,000
they serve to only cloud the issue

654
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,159
knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

655
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,720
one and even knowing its name

656
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,960
is important when arguing your point of

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00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:12,320
view

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00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,760
however you may come across as arrogant

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00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:18,159
and not get very far if you call it out

660
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,960
by name

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00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,279
to your opponent when you hear it being

662
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,440
used

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00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:25,919
if your opponent calls you out for using

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00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,720
one

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it's time to stop and think about how

666
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,000
you are making your case

667
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:34,159
use your knowledge of logical fallacies

668
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,360
wisely

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00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:38,159
and remember that even if your point of

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00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,360
view is right

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00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,679
and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

672
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,960
your case

673
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,440
it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,640
day

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00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:49,919
and as skeptics we must also remember

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00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,470
that we too can be wrong at times

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00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,520
[Music]

678
00:25:07,290 --> 00:24:57,279
i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

679
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:24,630
[Music]

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00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,310
hey everyone this is professor dave i

681
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,080
want to teach you about all kinds of

682
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:29,760
things regarding science i want to tell

683
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:30,320
you about

684
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:34,960
chemistry biology astronomy

685
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,520
math and many many more things come

686
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:39,360
check me out on youtube the channel is

687
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:39,840
called

688
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:57,360
professor dave explains take it easy

689
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:02,240
[Music]

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00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:10,080
i think we need to think

691
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:11,490
here's susan gerbic

692
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:16,880
[Music]

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00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,039
you can't talk well folks it's okay

694
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,320
okay we got better this is the

695
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,240
yes thank you leonard this is the the

696
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,080
sort of confusion i have to put up with

697
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:29,840
folks when i speak to secret agent

698
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,400
gerbic

699
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,720
on uh zoom we've just had another

700
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,559
session with the prediction project and

701
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,080
it's getting near the end we

702
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:38,400
we rip through lots of predictions every

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00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,200
week

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00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,520
and today we were talking about clucky

705
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,440
venus susan what did you make out of

706
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,600
clucky venus

707
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,279
we all thought it was a misprint or

708
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,880
something we were like what in the heck

709
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,240
is clucky and what is a clucky planet

710
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,720
you didn't know what clucky was did you

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00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,840
no

712
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,000
we don't speak australian that's that's

713
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:59,200
hilarious we were doing these

714
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,000
predictions and

715
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,559
to me the term clucky is is a common

716
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:04,159
term here in australia and i knew

717
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,279
exactly what it meant and i had all

718
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:06,720
these faces on zoom going

719
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,470
but anyway the reason that this thank

720
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,919
you and all the people who are

721
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,600
eavesdropping in right now as i

722
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:17,840
i talked to susan thank you very much

723
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,640
the prediction

724
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,039
project is going well but i thought it's

725
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,799
about time i caught up with you susan to

726
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,159
chat about what's happening

727
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,520
with gsow gorilla skepticism on

728
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,279
wikipedia

729
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,840
you know richard thanks for asking we've

730
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:33,679
really been busy and it's again it's my

731
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,080
team

732
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,000
not necessarily i'm doing any of this

733
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:37,760
work i train and i

734
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,399
um you know help out and do those little

735
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,279
things that we do

736
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,640
but my team has just published page

737
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:46,840
number one

738
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:50,640
1558 and i just checked the numbers and

739
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:53,919
those 1558 wikipedia pages

740
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:57,720
have just been viewed 75 million

741
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,200
263 576 times wow and i see people on

742
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:06,480
the screen's mouse going wow so

743
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,600
so we do a lot of uh edits all the time

744
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,360
but we can't keep track of

745
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,880
how many times those pages are viewed i

746
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,480
mean we just go in and we

747
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:17,120
fix up the lead or we add a photo or we

748
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,399
add citations or

749
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:21,200
you know do stuff we only keep track of

750
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,000
the

751
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:25,200
written or

752
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,840
completely rewritten and that is 1558.

753
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,640
it's it it is absolutely remarkable and

754
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,520
um

755
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,520
i've seen you speak in public a few

756
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:37,679
times about what the results

757
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:40,480
of uh the work that guerrilla skeptics

758
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,799
do

759
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,600
on wikipedia it's it's for example one

760
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,799
of the ones that

761
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,480
is in my memory for some reason i think

762
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,799
you spoke about the fact that

763
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,360
it was olympics not so long ago when we

764
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,279
used to have these sort of things

765
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:55,919
where one of the the swimmers appeared

766
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:56,840
with

767
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:00,559
multiple um blisters or

768
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,760
bruises on the back from cupping

769
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,080
from using cupping and you got to work

770
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,679
or your team got to work on the

771
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,159
wikipedia page about cupping because you

772
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:13,360
knew you knew hundreds of thousands of

773
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,080
people would be

774
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:16,000
running to the internet especially

775
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:18,090
wikipedia to look up about cupping

776
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,200
[Music]

777
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,440
wow that's a story i can't i remember

778
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,039
from that was back in the olympics in

779
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,559
2013 2014 i think and

780
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,799
i remember that the cupping wikipedia

781
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,640
page received about a thousand page

782
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:31,760
views a day

783
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,360
but the day that the media went

784
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,840
nuts with uh wondering what the heck

785
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:38,880
cupping is

786
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:42,320
the wikipedia page had over 160 000 page

787
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,600
views in one day

788
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,880
and normally they would receive a

789
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:46,960
thousand page views in a day so

790
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,559
it was it was incredible i i just can't

791
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,360
even imagine

792
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,799
and you know one of the things i wanted

793
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:54,880
to quickly mention now that i'm thinking

794
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,360
about it

795
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,679
a couple people who were been on this

796
00:30:03,269 --> 00:29:59,600
australian prediction project with us

797
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,279
rob palmer and adrian hill they're also

798
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,200
gsow editors you know they're they're

799
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,559
pretty busy people

800
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:09,760
and um adrian she's just

801
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,360
passed 150 000 page views for her

802
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,039
wikipedia award wow

803
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:18,559
she's done and um adrian has

804
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,320
only written two pages so uh one of them

805
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,000
is haunted house

806
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:26,799
and uh the another one is for a woman

807
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,200
that

808
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,799
is going to be a speaker at her upcoming

809
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,480
conference in may

810
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,880
of uh in calgary or we're going to do it

811
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,159
over zoom we're not really sure

812
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:37,600
weekend reason we can reason that's what

813
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,240
it's called

814
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,480
and then rob palmer is also here on the

815
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,240
on the zoom call very quiet

816
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,880
uh here and rob has written quite a few

817
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,960
wikipedia pages he's been with me a long

818
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:47,760
time

819
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,799
so rob's wikipedia work is he's written

820
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:52,559
25 pages

821
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,679
five million six hundred and seventy

822
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:59,440
thousand five hundred and three page

823
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,080
views

824
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,080
so he's just broke five million pages

825
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:03,679
he's got this astonished looked on his

826
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,080
face

827
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,200
so rob rob and adrian come in say hi

828
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,760
say hi to everybody hello hello hello

829
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,640
hello

830
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,399
well congratulations to you both that's

831
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,159
remarkable and it just goes to the value

832
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,039
of guerrilla skeptics on wikipedia

833
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,799
adrian he can come back come back she

834
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,720
keeps disappearing folks

835
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,880
my dog's whining oh your dog's whining

836
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,960
it's no you you're not shy it's your dog

837
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,840
is whining

838
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,559
uh how did you how did you discover

839
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,679
gorilla skepticism on wikipedia

840
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,919
i actually discovered it through reading

841
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,440
science-based medicine

842
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:38,159
in 2018 i believe it was an article

843
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,039
called

844
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,559
the null hypothesis about gary null and

845
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:45,279
he was going after susan gerbic and i'd

846
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,159
never heard of her

847
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:48,159
and there was a little quote about how

848
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,279
cool

849
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:52,080
uh the truth is i can't remember the

850
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,200
exact quote but

851
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,760
it's uh i thought it sounded really fun

852
00:32:00,509 --> 00:31:57,600
i got in touch with susan

853
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,519
and she messaged me back almost

854
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:01,919
immediately

855
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,200
and i've been hooked ever since so

856
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,960
i just finished my training i guess it

857
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,399
was in april

858
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:11,360
so i'm pretty new took me a while to

859
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:12,480
finish my training

860
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,080
pretty new and 150 000 page views

861
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,960
her work has been viewed 150 000 times

862
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:20,000
and when i've talked about

863
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,440
the subject to put that in context you

864
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,039
could write a best-selling

865
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,279
uh non-fiction book something about

866
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:27,120
science or skepticism or something and

867
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,559
you are lucky to sell

868
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:31,279
3 000 copies in the lifetime of the book

869
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:31,919
right

870
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,120
3 000. and adrian how was the process of

871
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:36,799
learning to become a

872
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,840
an editor for wikipedia

873
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,600
it was pretty straightforward we work on

874
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,039
our own at our own pace

875
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,360
and i had some health issues so i

876
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:47,200
actually had to take a break for about a

877
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,840
year

878
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,919
and i was able to pick it up no problem

879
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,000
susan has it very well organized and

880
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:55,200
actually has been redone a little bit as

881
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,559
well because

882
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,720
uh she wanted it updated and because i

883
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,600
just gone through

884
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:02,240
i actually helped in that update so it's

885
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,799
really

886
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,720
straightforward it's a spreadsheet and

887
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,399
you go through and you have

888
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,559
little uh assignments that you have to

889
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,000
do and then you have a final

890
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,919
project and uh that was a fun one

891
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:16,480
so it was really good i think the record

892
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,440
is four days

893
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,640
so there's been a few people who have

894
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,559
finished this training in four days i

895
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,600
took 18 months

896
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:24,559
but you know susan's great she's yeah a

897
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,200
little long

898
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,279
it's usually about four months i think

899
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,720
people take you know four months it's

900
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,519
more the average

901
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,919
and the expectation but i was in contact

902
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,279
with her she was aware of my health

903
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,480
issues so

904
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,399
it was no problem at all and you're

905
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,240
based in you're based in canada

906
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,679
of course but susan you're based in

907
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,919
canada you've got uh

908
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,080
editors all around the world haven't you

909
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,000
yes we're all over the world

910
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,880
rob is asking about uh something else on

911
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,480
the olympics what was that ron

912
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,080
well you had mentioned before richard

913
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,240
brought it up the the fact that

914
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,799
cupping um you know the views on the

915
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,399
wikipedia article for that went crazy

916
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,440
after

917
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:02,000
i think it was phelps uh yeah had had

918
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:02,559
the

919
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,080
everyone went to wikipedia

920
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,639
to figure out what it was and we had

921
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,639
worked on the wikipedia page so we added

922
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,480
a lot of science and therefore it was

923
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,839
much better information than it would

924
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,960
have otherwise been

925
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,320
and a similar thing happened that might

926
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,720
have been the next olympics when

927
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,960
the athletes started wearing kt tape

928
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,480
kinesio tape

929
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,079
and people well what is this wrapped all

930
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:26,079
around their arms and legs and so then i

931
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,520
updated the article

932
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:30,960
for that to make it seem like it was

933
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:34,159
that to give it more science and take

934
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,359
out a lot of the

935
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,359
nonsensical material that was on the

936
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,960
article and how many

937
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:41,359
views does that article have well you

938
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,240
wrote you

939
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,960
rewrote the page in march of 2018 and

940
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:46,639
i'm looking at the stats right now and

941
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:48,760
it's been viewed 300

942
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,879
453 times so now we don't know

943
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:55,520
i i need to always add the uh caveat

944
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,000
that

945
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,839
we don't know if it's the same person

946
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,320
looking at the page over and over

947
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,400
we don't know if it's a unique user that

948
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,200
would be a real strange ocd symptom

949
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,440
well it's that's that's me that's me on

950
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,480
on wikipedia

951
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:10,800
on the page regarding mustache i look at

952
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,990
so well i've done that with mustache

953
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:17,119
because i can't really believe it's a

954
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:17,440
thing

955
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,280
so no it's still here this is not a fake

956
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,960
page somebody didn't delete this yet

957
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,680
no it's fantastic what a valuable thing

958
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,839
it is to update pages with a

959
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,240
a scientific skeptical factual

960
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,440
referenced

961
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,880
uh point of view i think it's really

962
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,040
great now susan you were also telling me

963
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,800
a little while ago that um

964
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,320
some recent news that appeared on the

965
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:40,160
skeptic's owners inspired you to do

966
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,880
something

967
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,520
and that was with our friend uh dr uh

968
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,280
ken harvey

969
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:48,160
yes yes that was wonderful whenever

970
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,119
people put up

971
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,160
uh write articles of this sort

972
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,160
um please bring it to our attention or

973
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,480
better yet just join my gsow team so

974
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,920
that when you see these things you can

975
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,720
start

976
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,280
updating them um but you had mentioned

977
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,880
that ken harvey had left

978
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,640
the therapeutic goods administ

979
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,640
association the g

980
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,760
tga pga yes the uh advisory panel i

981
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,200
think he was on about that

982
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,440
science and not not cracking down on it

983
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,520
so what so what we did is we took the

984
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,119
the information on the skeptics on the

985
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,520
articles that had been generated in the

986
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,520
in the media and we were able to update

987
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:24,079
the wikipedia pages for ken harvey

988
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,760
for also for choice magazine which is uh

989
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:30,000
which is another page we had written a

990
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,119
year or so ago

991
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,640
and then we went in and updated the

992
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:34,400
therapeutic goods association's

993
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,160
wikipedia page with this information

994
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,160
that ken harvey had left

995
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,760
and why he had left yes so that way it's

996
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,440
anybody looking at the therapeutic goods

997
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,200
association the media

998
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,440
yeah the public whoever they're going to

999
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,119
get an eyeful of

1000
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,920
you know oh well we thought this was a

1001
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,720
good idea

1002
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,560
but we can see that somebody named ken

1003
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,640
harvey you can click on his wikipedia

1004
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,000
page to know more about him

1005
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:01,119
has lost this and the reason why that's

1006
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:01,440
great

1007
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,960
to know that uh

1008
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,880
er you know in a small way the skeptic

1009
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,000
zone can be of use

1010
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,359
to to help educate people via wikipedia

1011
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,880
in a strange sort of way so that's

1012
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,000
really nice to know

1013
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,839
but of course susan you're apart from

1014
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,040
gsow and

1015
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,800
the wonderful work your team does on

1016
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,400
wikipedia you're also

1017
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:23,520
known sneakily as uh the person behind

1018
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,000
many

1019
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,400
psychic stings are is there any uh

1020
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,839
psychic stings you can

1021
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,400
tell us about at the moment oh yeah well

1022
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,839
thanks richard for asking yeah we've

1023
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,800
been doing um

1024
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,240
i have another group that's called

1025
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,079
gorilla skeptics and this is

1026
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,599
not necessarily the same people on the

1027
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,119
wikipedia team these are people who are

1028
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,720
more interested in psychics

1029
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,960
and grief vampires those are people we

1030
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,040
claim who claim to speak to the dead

1031
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:47,359
so they're not skeptical of gorillas but

1032
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,800
this is

1033
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,000
that would be an odd group if

1034
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,920
you you've heard of you've heard of the

1035
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,280
flat earthers well these people are

1036
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,720
skeptical of gorillas we don't think

1037
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,320
gorillas exist they're just people in

1038
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,680
suits

1039
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,320
i mean you know if if we evolve from

1040
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:06,720
monkeys why would we

1041
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,920
like so so

1042
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,480
yeah in between projects i have a group

1043
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,520
that i oversee

1044
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,839
that is also located on facebook it's a

1045
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,280
secret group you can't get into

1046
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,400
same as the gsow you have to

1047
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:23,200
you have to be um allowed into the group

1048
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,320
yeah um but

1049
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,720
write to me on on and you know i'll be

1050
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:28,160
happy to put people in but you have to

1051
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,280
go through training

1052
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:32,240
anyway so we have a project that is

1053
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:33,520
during the um

1054
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:36,640
pandemic um you know of course we're all

1055
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:36,880
on

1056
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:40,160
psychics

1057
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,599
so now we can easily infiltrate their

1058
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,280
zoom meetings because of course they're

1059
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,119
publishing all over that they're

1060
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:49,040
on you know they're going to do the show

1061
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,160
or they're going to do well you've done

1062
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,920
this before yes absolutely

1063
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,480
yeah so it's it's pretty easy to get in

1064
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,359
now

1065
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,640
that

1066
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,480
myself or my team is there they can't

1067
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,680
seem to figure that out

1068
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,200
i don't know why we've been going to

1069
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,680
their webinars on how to be a medium

1070
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,280
well susan come on what did you think

1071
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,119
that was psychic or something come on

1072
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,839
uh yeah i know so i keep i keep uh

1073
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:13,440
record everything take screen

1074
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,800
screen shots and then we go back and we

1075
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,079
i report on it so

1076
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,000
it's it's time consuming but it's it's

1077
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,400
satisfying i've been writing these

1078
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,560
articles up and i've been putting them

1079
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,320
under a category we're calling

1080
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,960
operation lemon meringue and if

1081
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,400
anybody's interested

1082
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:32,400
yeah it's always something like that

1083
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,520
isn't it

1084
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:36,079
it's great so we skip we i publish for

1085
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,440
skeptical inquire

1086
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,760
online so if people are interested in

1087
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,280
any of these articles i've been writing

1088
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,000
on operation

1089
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,640
lemon meringue they could go into um

1090
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,400
skeptical inquires website

1091
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,720
and they would just google or just look

1092
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,560
by author susan gerbic

1093
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,160
and you'll see that we've done several

1094
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,640
and hopefully have several more because

1095
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,599
it's pretty easy to attend a zoom

1096
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,880
meeting

1097
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,440
yeah well i think uh you know really

1098
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,000
should you should broaden your um

1099
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,920
your vocabulary when it comes to these

1100
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,520
food items i can't

1101
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:09,280
i think you should call your next one

1102
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,119
either operation iced vovo

1103
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,880
there's a tip for you iced vovo

1104
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,040
operation mustac would be a good one

1105
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:19,440
this means a lot to australian listeners

1106
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,079
right well

1107
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,839
you know the thing about it is when we

1108
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,200
pick these names they have to be

1109
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:26,000
something that anybody can spell

1110
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,160
and remember because the goal is is that

1111
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,960
you know somebody might hear about

1112
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,400
operation pizza roll or

1113
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,040
operation tater tot or ice cream

1114
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,000
operation ice cream

1115
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:40,000
cone and they'll you know they'll think

1116
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,520
about it they'll hear about it and then

1117
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,640
they you know

1118
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,160
don't do anything about it until one day

1119
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,839
they say you know what was that

1120
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,839
operation ice cream cone all about and

1121
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,119
they google it

1122
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,880
so then they find the articles we've

1123
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,720
written about it so i can't have

1124
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,400
anything that's unusual

1125
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,400
in a way that they might not know how to

1126
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,839
spell it

1127
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,280
or remember it and i've already

1128
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:01,680
forgotten what you just said a second

1129
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,319
ago

1130
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,359
except mustang so susan gobek does all

1131
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,880
these psychics things she gives them all

1132
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these names to to do with food i always

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get hungry when i'm reading about your

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psychic stinks

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but it's fast it's great and the reports

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are really interesting and

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what you uncover is is truly truly

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worthwhile

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00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,880
it feels like we're we're doing

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something you know

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00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,240
we're fighting back and in a lot of ways

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00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:25,920
we are i hear from people

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00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,040
all the time who just stumbled onto one

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00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,040
of the articles i've written and said

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00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:34,720
i thought this person was real and now

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00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,400
i am my eyes are opened i i had no idea

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00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:40,480
that these were actors or i had no idea

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that they were

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00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,079
using social media no idea thank you so

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00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:45,520
much for writing this article that's

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00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,240
what they'll tell me

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00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,240
and i'm like oh there's one all right

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00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,000
finally susan you've been doing some

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00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:51,920
work recently because there's been a new

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00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,160
batch of

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00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,560
csi fellows announced and i'm very

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00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,880
honored i'm amongst the fellows i've

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00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,680
been a felon

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00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,640
for 10 years what can you tell us about

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the recent batch

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00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,960
yes they um we had a little heads up who

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were going to be the fellows this year

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00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,160
of course we had to keep it on the low

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00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,480
key but we knew in a time so that we

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00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:14,079
were able to write some wikipedia pages

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for them

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00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,760
of course my team did the work um i

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00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,480
am the one who's just there you know

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cheerleading them on

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but we were able to write three or four

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five

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wikipedia articles for the new fellows

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that were coming out

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plus we'd already written wikipedia

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00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,720
articles about several of the others who

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00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,839
had already

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been fellows for a while and we just

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were able to um you know

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00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,480
update it so it was very exciting we

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call them the jolly good fellows the

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older ones you see

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00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,680
well this way when they made the

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announcement that there was going to be

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00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,440
these felt

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00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,960
new fellows for csi people were able to

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google them

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and get their wikipedia page and get

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information about them so

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that was my motivation as to how the

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wikipedia page is created before

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uh the announcement was made who the

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fellows would be

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and of course that is for everybody who

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may not know that's the committee for

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skeptical inquiries formerly cycop

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00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,880
and i i always like that name cycop i

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00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,920
like cyclop

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00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,520
much better sort of sticks in the memory

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a little bit the cyclop susan finally

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and uh i'm sure there's many listeners

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00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,480
thinking oh how can i get in on this fun

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00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:26,480
this action with guerrilla skepticism on

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00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,359
wikipedia

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00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,520
how can people how can people take part

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00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,800
what do they have to do

1206
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,240
but if they want to know if they want to

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00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,920
join one of my projects

1208
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,359
the easiest place to find me is on

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00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:37,359
facebook please send me a private

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00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,920
message

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00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,480
you can send me a friend request i'm

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00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:41,359
fine with that

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00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:44,880
and i'm happy to uh you know hear from

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00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,280
you

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00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,960
project well then there is a

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00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,520
pre-training you have to do

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00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,440
and once that's completed then we can

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00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,560
put you into our

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00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,200
secret cabal on facebook and then the

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00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,800
training the serious training starts and

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00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,160
as adrian says

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00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,839
you should be able to finish it within

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00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,359
four months easily

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00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,599
and then you too can be helping to

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spread science and reason via wikipedia

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00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,440
and uh learn a lot adrian i'm sure

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00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,480
you've learned a lot

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00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:15,359
i've learned an awful lot and i end up

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00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,319
going down

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00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,359
huge rabbit holes of learning

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00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,920
and it's fascinating it's fun the people

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00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:22,960
are fun

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00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:26,319
um it's it's like i found my group that

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00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:27,119
i belong

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00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,319
to it's it's it's a pretty amazing

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00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,440
thing i have no regrets and i plan on

1237
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,359
staying as long as susan will keep me

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00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,440
oh we love we love adrian and you know i

1239
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,880
get to watch over their shoulders

1240
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,200
as they're working i'm going through and

1241
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,119
reading what they're doing and

1242
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,920
and providing feedback but people i

1243
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,520
force them to interact with some of the

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00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,079
speakers in our community so adrian had

1245
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,560
a lot of contact with ben radford and i

1246
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,680
believe kenny biddle

1247
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,079
if i'm not kenny yep he was when she was

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00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:57,920
writing the wikipedia page for

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00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,839
haunted house so as you pick a topic to

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00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,640
write about

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00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,760
doing you

1252
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,119
interact with the people in our

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00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:09,520
community who are those people who you

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00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,319
would see it

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00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,560
at a conference or who have written the

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00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:14,880
books or articles on it so

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00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,800
it expands your your uh group of friends

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i guess i should say in a lot of ways

1259
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,119
and i i personally got to know people

1260
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,960
besides you of course and richard i got

1261
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:26,720
to know the whole skeptic's guide to the

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00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:30,000
universe crew brian dunning um

1263
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,520
ben radford kenny biddle is quite

1264
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:33,680
amazing all those people

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00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,150
i always have a dig at those people my

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00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:41,520
dear friends and i love them all very

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00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,000
much

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00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,119
well look everybody susan rob and adrian

1269
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,119
and leonard who's sort of

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00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,200
ease dropping in there on the side thank

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00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:50,319
you very much for helping with the

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00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,440
predictions today

1273
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,839
and susan thank you very much for the

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00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,599
update with gorilla skepticism on

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00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,960
wikipedia folks if you

1276
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,520
inspired get in touch with susan and

1277
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,000
there's a

1278
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,200
world of a world of worthwhile

1279
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,720
things to do and great interest to be

1280
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,560
had but for now

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00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,960
folks as i stare at you on my little

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00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:09,680
computer screen

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00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,910
thank you very much

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00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,880
[Music]

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no you have to say something they're all

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00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,640
waving everybody they're not saying

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00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,319
thank you richard they're all waving at

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00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:19,760
me

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00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,040
thanks richard really glad to help glenn

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00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:26,319
came in after all and up up fades the

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00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:28,650
music susan there it is there's your

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00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:46,390
music

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hello this is rob palmer you may have

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00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,760
heard of me

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00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,520
lately i've been interviewing scientists

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skeptics and other critical thinkers

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00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,960
from around the world for my column in

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the skeptical inquirer

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and recently some for the skeptic zone

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[Music]

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my written interviews have included j

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novella from the skeptic's guide to the

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00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,319
universe

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00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,640
mass psychogenic illness expert robert

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00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:09,760
bartholomew

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00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:12,560
celestia ward from squaring the strange

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00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,520
psychic busting

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00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:16,400
private eye bob nygard skeptical

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00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,040
activist

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00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:19,359
michael marshall of the uk and even

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00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,559
secular activists

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00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,800
bailly harris and john de lancie that's

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00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,480
cue from star trek

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00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,240
i even interviewed believe it or not a

1315
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,680
magic dragon

1316
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,160
and another really well known skeptic

1317
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,839
richard saunders

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00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:34,000
you can find my online column with these

1319
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,440
interviews and more

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00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,160
by googling the well-known skeptic plus

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00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,079
skeptical inquire

1322
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:42,160
also follow me on facebook at the

1323
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:43,350
well-known skeptic

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00:47:50,839 --> 00:48:00,610
cheers

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00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,470
[Applause]

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00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,000
thank you for listening to the skeptic's

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00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,520
own podcast now don't forget to check

1328
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,640
out maynard.com

1329
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,359
for a live show coming up with maynard

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00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,440
and thank you to all those people who

1331
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,319
joined uh maynard and myself when we did

1332
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,640
maynard's mastermind quiz

1333
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:21,599
live to the world on uh it was friday

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00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,079
night

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00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,760
here in sydney australia and

1336
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,920
congratulations to dr angie matkey we

1337
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:27,520
had a competition

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00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:31,839
inflatable hippo

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00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,440
and i

1340
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,280
and he sort of pops up in other places

1341
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:38,559
too when we do our live

1342
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,920
quiz and dr angie matkey submitted a

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00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,440
name

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00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:46,160
and it was anderson cooper so from now

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00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,680
on the inflatable hippo is going to be

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00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,480
called

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00:48:53,230 --> 00:48:50,319
anderson cooper if you don't know what

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00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,240
i'm talking about make sure you visit

1349
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,079
maynard.com

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00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:58,240
and before i go a big thank you once

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00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,200
again to

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00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,960
all those people who continue to support

1353
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,359
the skeptic zone of patreon or paypal

1354
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,680
and you can do that at skepticzone.tv

1355
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,960
and a big welcome

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00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,119
to the new patreons only in the last

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00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,720
week who've come on board thank you so

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00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,000
much

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00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,000
and of course one last message thank you

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to all those people who sent me

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00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,839
very kind birthday greetings over the

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00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,319
last few days much appreciated

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00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,160
but for this week this is richard

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00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:24,559
saunders signing off from

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00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,440
a very warm sydney australia

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone podcast

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00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,440
are not necessarily those of australian

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00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:11,359
skeptics or any other

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00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,790
how many numbers i like the 20-sided die

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20

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all right then if you get a hit it's

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really amazing

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nice that's quite a big that's my

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favorite

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uh platinum that's hard to roll let me

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00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,520
see if i've got a smaller yeah here we

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go so that's that's a d20

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okay

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[Music]

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there it is all right

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so folks we're back with the gang from

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the gorilla skepticism and the

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prediction project

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at the end of the show hello to all the

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afterthoughts that people listen after

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00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,839
the show

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00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,200
and the people who've never heard this

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00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,280
section before you're in for such a

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00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,880
surprise here we go

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00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:18,319
oh adrian you've never heard this

1407
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,839
section before one of the people taking

1408
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,520
part

1409
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,839
exactly i'm always clicking off when the

1410
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,880
music starts so

1411
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:27,200
you know i know it's terrible you've

1412
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,400
been missing out

1413
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,319
for all those people you can watch the

1414
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,640
little green bar go across and it's not

1415
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,839
at the end yet

1416
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,400
the show's not open i'm usually cooking

1417
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,680
dinner though while i'm listening and i

1418
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:39,520
just click it on to the next one so i

1419
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,480
don't even

1420
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:43,359
know oh boy and all the other people who

1421
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,800
have known about this easter egg for

1422
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,720
many years you see

1423
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,800
you're ahead of the game i have a d20

1424
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,160
this is where we roll the die

1425
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:53,359
three times and you use your predicting

1426
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,160
power you're

1427
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:57,280
you're predicting your predictive power

1428
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,319
whatever it is

1429
00:52:01,349 --> 00:52:00,400
and see if you can come up with the the

1430
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,359
number

1431
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,200
um psychic if you want to use your

1432
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,480
psychic power if you want to use time

1433
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:06,240
travel whatever you want to do

1434
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:10,079
it's a d20 so 20 sided die and folks

1435
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,359
let's have some predictions for the

1436
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,720
first roll i'm going to roll it three

1437
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:14,720
times uh susan

1438
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,559
hi why did i even ask

1439
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:21,760
it's always five percent uh rob what do

1440
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,200
you say

1441
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:26,400
um two two adrian

1442
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:30,480
eighteen eighteen mm-hmm and leonard

1443
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:33,680
seventeen seventeen five two eighteen

1444
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,790
fourteen

1445
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,430
four plus one equals five yeah yeah yeah

1446
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,200
susan all right so not off to a good

1447
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,559
start does anybody want to change their

1448
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,079
predictions

1449
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,400
keep them all right uh 13 i'm going to

1450
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,440
pick lucky 13. oh rob is 13.

1451
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:03,270
four

1452
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,359
susan last time last time i did this

1453
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:09,119
game with you i picked three fours so

1454
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,400
does that count at all richard

1455
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:13,280
of course it does last roll anybody want

1456
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:15,200
to change their mind

1457
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,960
nope okay here it comes we've got uh

1458
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:21,680
rob on 13 yeah you will still be 13.

1459
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:29,750
and the winning number is sixteen

1460
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:32,960
b six minus one it's five

1461
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,400
uh almost there again susan susan susan

1462
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:38,480
all right just just for susan and

1463
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,520
everybody else

1464
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,559
one more just in case so fourteen

1465
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,640
four sixteen there's gonna be a pattern

1466
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:46,880
there somewhere

1467
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:50,240
and the last number is nineteen

1468
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,510
and earlier had a four so now that four

1469
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,599
combines with the one in this role i

1470
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,440
wonder how many times you'd actually

1471
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,440
have to roll up

1472
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,079
get one hit well see susan this is you

1473
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,680
should take up a new career as a

1474
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:13,680
numerologist because that's exactly the

1475
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,040
sort of waffle they would come up

1476
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,920
that sounded very numerological it did

1477
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,079
thank you everybody

1478
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,440
it sounded clucky

1479
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,800
that's my word of the day i'm going to

1480
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,559
try to find a way of using it several

1481
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:29,440
times today

1482
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,109
i can't imagine well adrian came up with

1483
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:39,280
the name for your new confection for

1484
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:40,240
your new uh